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"At the next junction, turn left for the 18th century..."

26/9/2023

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Most of us probably use some sort of software package to record our family history.  I use Family Tree Maker (FTM), and like all the other packages, it has links to maps.  Modern maps.  The sort of map that your sat nav uses to send you off into the wide blue yonder when there's a snarl up on the A303.  Look closely at the image to the left and you can see that clearly - copyright Tom Tom! 

Trying to find things on these maps can be challenging, especially if you have an historical name, possibly in Irish and the modern name is very different.  You are going to have to work hard, cross-referencing with other websites such as the excellent Placenames Database of Ireland or historic OSI maps (see my Irish Maps and Gazetteers page.)

​FTM also has something that was called the Place Authority - a database of "standardised" place names that I believe was inherited from Ancestry when Software Mackiev bought the software. Given that pedigree, it's fine if you have forgotten which modern county an American town is in.  However, there are problems with other countries.

So, genealogically speaking, the mapping functions in FTM often don't help me navigate back to the past.
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Having said that, I was surprised to come across these former graveyard labels in another part of Dublin on the same maps.  Where did they come from?  Is there a project to label more former sites like this?  But why is Christchurch Cathedral labelled in what looks like Japanese?! 

Can anyone enlighten me as to why I am seeing these labels on Tom Tom maps?

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Ok, why does this matter?  I get that repurposing georeferenced modern sat nav maps is a cheap way of including mapping functionality into family history software. But when that is all that is being offered, I think, as diligent historians, we are being short-changed.
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I don't think I need remind you that place names in Ireland have had multiple spellings over time and have even been expressed in different languages. Your ancestor most likely set sail from Kingstown for America not Dun Laoghaire, or Queenstown and not Cobh.  Whilst you would really want to record the former names to keep the historical context, you will be forced to use the modern name if you want to make use of the geographical hierarchy features of the package to aid your research. 

You can get round this to an extent when compiling reports by using the short name field to record the place name you actually want, but it may not be historically correct for all the facts that use it and it's not what you see when you are working with places within the main screens.

Most annoyingly though, there does not appear to be any logical consistency to this issue.  Most Irish towns are in the database in English but some fairly substantial ones are not.  Some are perhaps recognisable and you will find them - Ros Cre for Roscrea, but others less so unless your grasp of Irish is good - Cill Mhantain for Wicklow for instance.  You'll have to remember to choose these labels too every time you create new facts associated with that place, thereby destroying an accurate transcription of the historic record, unless you also record that information elsewhere.  I know lots of people use the Description field to do just that, but it's a clumsy workaround in my opinion.  I also think it's really important to record the actual names of places that our ancestors used at the time - that is after all the crux of their stories told in their own voices.  My Protestant Irish ancestors would have called their town Wicklow.

There is a much bolder and creative solution - treat place names as a fundamental genealogical subject to which you could attach facts, notes and media, just like people e.g. alternative spellings, different names, pictures, photos, historical map fragments, all qualified by date etc.  This information could also be used intelligently to verify new data that you might add later e.g. alerting you to the fact that you might be trying to assign a baptism to a church that was demolished years before?  I have lobbied hard for this treatment of places to be included in FTM via the Facebook forum for FTM suggestions and I have emailed Software Mackiev directly - all currently to no avail.  I have even bent the ear of several Software Mackiev representatives on stands at family history fairs, who quite frankly couldn't have been less interested.  Maybe, I'm just rubbish at explaining the concept...

Sadly, I think the reality is that there is no money to be made in addressing these shortcomings in the software.  Instead development effort is being focused on add-on subscription options like Tree Vault or additional products that generate extra revenue.  Personally, I think they are missing a major opportunity to create a significant point of difference between themselves and their competitors in the way that they handle spatial data and structure it to really help fuel good research.

What are their competitors doing in this space I wonder?  Maybe it's time to take my ideas to RootsMagic and see what they think.

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Maps, Glorious Maps!

26/9/2023

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I love maps and think that they are one of the best resources you can consult when searching for your ancestors and their ilk.  So, I was really pleased to see 2 announcements this month that brought me great joy.

Firstly and most recently, the National Library of Scotland have added Ordnance Survey Ireland - Six-inch, 1829-1842 maps to their freely available cartographical collection.  You may find it easier to use the simple functionality on this website to initially view the maps, but I do recommend that you progress on to mastering the OSI's own Irish Townland and Historic Map Viewer.  I've put together a page of instructions for you, which you can access here.

Secondly, John Grenham has taken a step closer to creating my kind of "catalogue".  He updated his civil parish maps in July of this year by integrating them with the townlands data available from Open Street Map to create some beautiful multi-coloured parish-townland maps.  He has now worked some more magic by creating links from these maps to the huge wealth of information about records he has elsewhere on his website.  Take a gander at his joyful blog piece - "A circus-full of maps" - to learn more.  Now if only he (and maybe Shane Wilson?) could find a way of pinning all the churches, graveyards, schools, workhouses etc. on to those same maps, with links to the available records, then we would be getting closer to my initial dream of a whole new way of exploring past landscapes.

Seriously, it is when you see wonderful innovations that knowledgeable genealogists are making to support us better on our quest that you get more and more frustrated with the paltry map offerings the we have to put up with from the family history software vendors.  However, that rant ought to be the subject of another blog ...

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